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The Ultimate Reloading Manual
Wolfe Publishing Group
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The Ultimate Reloading Manual

.17 Ackley Bee

.17 Ackley Bee
Warning! Notes: All loads with Remington 7 1/2 primers. Rifle built on .310 Martini Cadet action with 20-inch Shilen 1-in-10-inch twist barrel, and showed definite preference for Remington bullets. (Handloader Issue #117)
Cartridge History

The 17 Ackley Bee

The 17 Ackley Bee is a wildcat cartridge developed by legendary gunsmith and ballistic innovator P.O. Ackley, based on the 218 Bee case necked down to accept .17-caliber bullets. Created during the golden age of wildcatting in the mid-20th century, the 17 Ackley Bee exemplified Ackley’s goals of achieving ultra-high velocity, flat trajectories, and minimal recoil, all in a compact and efficient case.

The parent cartridge, the 218 Bee, was introduced by Winchester in the 1930s, designed for use in lever-action rifles like the Model 65. It was itself a necked-down 25-20 case, offering moderate performance. Ackley’s wildcatting vision transformed it by aggressively necking it down to .17 caliber (.172"), increasing velocity and ballistic efficiency for small game and varmint hunters. The result was a screaming-fast round capable of velocities exceeding 3,700 fps with 25-grain bullets and certain powder combinations, as seen in testing from Handloader Issue #117.

The rifle used in the referenced testing was a custom build on a 310 Martini Cadet action, fitted with a 20-inch Shilen barrel featuring a 1-in-10 twist—ideal for stabilizing 25-grain projectiles. Notably, the test rifle showed a distinct preference for Remington bullets, with one standout load using 13.2 grains of Alliant RL-7 pushing a 25-grain Remington bullet to 3,475 fps and grouping at .597 inches, the best recorded accuracy in the trials.

The cartridge is also known for its versatility with various powders, including Hodgdon H-4227, IMR-4198, RL-7, AAC-5744, and H-335. Several loads achieved velocities over 3,600 fps, though some produced extraction issues at the upper limits of pressure—especially with the compressed charges of RL-7 and 5744. This highlighted a key trade-off in the 17 Ackley Bee: while it offers blistering performance, careful load development is essential to maintain safe pressures.

Ackley’s choice of the Bee case as a starting point gave this cartridge a modest capacity and rimmed design, making it especially well-suited for single-shot actions like the Martini Cadet, which gained popularity among hobbyist gunsmiths during the 1960s and 70s. Though it never saw commercial adoption, the 17 Ackley Bee remains a cult favorite among varmint shooters and wildcat enthusiasts for its exceptional speed, flat trajectory, and historical significance. It also played an important role in advancing small-caliber varminting concepts, laying the groundwork for later commercial rounds such as the 17 Remington and .17 Hornet.

In sum, the 17 Ackley Bee represents a brilliant example of P.O. Ackley’s philosophy: taking an existing case and refining it for maximum performance and precision. It remains a benchmark in wildcat cartridge development.

Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.
Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS)
25 Hornady Hodgdon H-4227 Subscribe 3,113
Remarks: group: 1.089 inches
25 Hornady Alliant RL-7 Subscribe 3,267
Remarks: group .684 inch; second most accurate load
25 Hornady Accurate AAC-5744 Subscribe 3,630
Remarks: group: 1.883 inches
25 Hornady IMR IMR-4198 Subscribe 3,444
Remarks: group: .793 inch
25 Hornady IMR IMR-4198 Subscribe 3,651
Remarks: group: 1.885 inches
25 Hornady Hodgdon H-335 Subscribe 2,938
Remarks: group: 2.685 inches
25 Hornady Hodgdon H-335 Subscribe 3,136
Remarks: group: 1.781 inches
25 Hornady Hodgdon BL-C(1) Subscribe 3,071
Remarks:
25 Remington Hodgdon H-4227 Subscribe 3,068
Remarks: group: 1.653 inches
25 Remington Alliant RL-7 Subscribe 3,475
Remarks: group: .597 inch; most accurate load; of the Reloader 7 charges, the 13.0-grain load is preferred. The 13.2-grain charge gives extraction problems.
25 Remington Norma N-200 Subscribe 3,268
Remarks:
25 Remington Accurate AAC-5744 Subscribe 3,554
Remarks:
25 Remington Accurate AAC-5744 Subscribe 3,652
Remarks: group: 1.085 inches
25 Remington Accurate AAC-5744 Subscribe 3,772
Remarks: group: 1.456 inches
25 Remington IMR IMR-4198 Subscribe 3,521
Remarks: group: .930 inch
25 Remington IMR IMR-4198 Subscribe 3,729
Remarks: group: 1.287 inches
25 Remington Hodgdon H-335 Subscribe 2,945
Remarks: group: 1.348 inches
25 Remington Hodgdon H-335 Subscribe 3,159
Remarks: group: 1.237 inches
25 Remington Hodgdon BL-C(1) Subscribe 3,146
Remarks:
25 Remington Hodgdon BL-C(2) Subscribe 3,051
Remarks: